其實(shí)還挺觸目驚心的。最簡單的一句話就是,買了房子之后盡早還貸款,因?yàn)槊绹y行已經(jīng)改了法律條款,可以提高loan rate的。而且千萬千萬不要refinance ur house,不然落得個(gè)傾家蕩產(chǎn)流離失所可就不是好玩兒的了。當(dāng)然,除非你也想像片子中的老兄們聽到的國會(huì)議員建議那樣做,耍無賴就是不走。
其實(shí)當(dāng)Obama當(dāng)選之后導(dǎo)演的態(tài)度大轉(zhuǎn)變就讓我厭惡到不行。這總統(tǒng)這么厲害這么優(yōu)秀,成效在哪里呢?我們怎么都還沒有看見。最后爭取自己權(quán)益的還不是咱們working class自己嘛?
我這一輩子是不想去美國的,老師在那里實(shí)在是沒辦法混,這一點(diǎn)看我在這里的美國同事們有多開心就知道了
最后的國際歌還挺那什么的~~
咱們工人有力量
片子本身還有些不夠客觀,依然帶了太多的Michael Moore自身的觀點(diǎn),遠(yuǎn)遠(yuǎn)沒有<Food Inc.>好。
最后說一句,可以看一看的,哪怕是抱著審視和懷疑的態(tài)度去看。
這個(gè)陰謀論拍滴有點(diǎn)蠢,michael moore是一個(gè)典型的思路混亂,又喜歡嘩眾取寵滴美國佬。話說我雖不偏向擁有話語權(quán)的權(quán)貴,但是一直認(rèn)為對于窮人,尤其是那些只會(huì)抱怨為富不仁,整天期盼著免費(fèi)午餐的窮人,也沒什么好同情的,話說可憐之人必有可恨之處。。。
只不過在中國,情況又不一樣。中國國民素質(zhì)低下的根本不是窮人,而是那幫自恃為精英,占有著社會(huì)資源卻又不履行相應(yīng)社會(huì)責(zé)任的黑領(lǐng)們。。。哎喲,開始憤青了。。。
什么是聰明的陰謀論,可以去看一下Zeitgeist,絕對會(huì)帶來一個(gè)paradigm shift.
其實(shí),我是摩爾大叔的粉絲,他之前的幾部,我都看得津津有味。只是,從 "Bowling for Columbine" (2002), "Fahrenheit 9/11" (2004), "Sicko" (2007) 到這一部《資本主義:一個(gè)愛情故事》,我必須承認(rèn),大叔江郎才盡了。
大叔的那種有些幽默感的諷刺(讓我稱其作comical satire),我曾經(jīng)非常喜歡。這一次,他又試圖炮制一部comical satire, 只是不知是我厭倦了,還是這次大叔耍得水平不夠,幽默好冷,諷刺方面也不具之前那種直刺心肺的力量。
可能年齡大些了,閱歷多些了,就更能頭腦清晰、對事物作出客觀的判斷,大叔的作品我現(xiàn)在看來,實(shí)在是過于偏激、煽情和挑斗,邏輯混亂又太把自己當(dāng)回事。這部片子中又有一些他強(qiáng)行采訪未果的鏡頭,讓我有些忍俊不禁。也許,像有些豆友所指出的,大叔這次選擇了過為宏大的題目,實(shí)在“螳臂當(dāng)車”。
Michael Moore 富于自我審視和批判的精神,這一點(diǎn)也許比一般美國人強(qiáng),但作為一個(gè)電影人,他的水準(zhǔn)好像一直沒有提高。這部影片但愿不是他電影生涯的最低點(diǎn)。
下次看到Michael Moore的新作,我會(huì)好好考慮到底要不要看。
評分:6.5 out of 10
2011.9.25
The other day I was watching Real Time. As usual, Bill and his panel - Arianna Huffington and Andrew Sorkin in this case - talked about how the Corporate America, especially those financial elites, rip off the hard-working middle class people and get away with it with tons of taxpayers' money in their pockets. As the heat mounted, it is, of course, inevitable to raise doubts about and criticize the existing system. Then, all of sudden, I was shocked, and partly amused, by how these spouts resemble what we have been preached throughout our education. Greed, exploitation, and ultimately the populist revolt. This type of rhetoric sounds no strange to us; for this is what we are expected, if not ordered, to believe in. And yet, to the American people, particularly the younger generation, it sounds just as exotic and remote as a fashionable historic curiosity.
There are more of these moments to find in Michael Moore's documentary, Capitalism: A Love Story. Jimmy Carter's presidential statement that "we are at a turning point in our history" in that "human identity is no longer defined by what one does, but by what one owns" called for the very same thing the Eight Honors and Eight Disgraces is intended to. The only difference here is that one has perished amid the laissez faire spree triggered by the president's successor, while another is ongoing in an emerging superpower experiencing an astounding economic growth and faced with increasingly polarized distribution.
Carter also rightly decried that "too many of us now tend to worship self-indulgence and consumption". Ironically enough, this is exactly where Ronald Reagan thrived. By cutting taxes by a enormous margin, by packing those ideas that Carter hated and warned against into the doctrine of capitalism and the almighty power of the free market, the Republican president created a robust consumption-driven economy and garnered tremendous popularity. Historically, this was also a significant period of what Walter R. Mead, an advisor to Henry Kissinger, described as the breakdown of the blue model. Union power declined, competition intensified - just as Michael Moore lamented in the film, it was not an easy time for everybody. However, the cosmetic served well. With new policies well implemented, economic index responded with great numbers. So did the stock market, so did the financial sector; and so people say of the economy and the president's legacy. Indeed, it was the best of times, it was the worst of times.
But this does not solve the moral problems incurred by the ever greater gap between the wealthy and the poor. In an electoral democracy, for a policy, or more precisely -- an ideology to become legitimate it has to promote the core ideas that have been deeply rooted in this nation ever since its foundation - well known as the "American dream" - which, in its simplest form, requires two most basic elements: freedom and equal opportunities. Of course, it is no difficulty to claim freedom in a capitalism for it is already a "free market", but the concept of "equal opportunities" is not an easy case. How could everyone be equal in a system in which more capital could be gained out of capital itself? How is deregulation supposed to promote equality when the ones with more wealth is granted with access to more influence, and hence even more wealth? This is where the economists, along with their terrifying-sounding jargons, weighed in. Drawing on one after another premises that are too good - and too simple - to be true, they derived elegant models functioning perfectly in equilibriums yet inherently inconsistent with reality. But politicians, as they always do, conveniently neglected those flaws in nature and with the help of speechwriters blended the pretty conclusions into their exciting orations. The "invisible hand", what a tempting yet handy idea - it's like finding the key to the ultimate mystery of the universe - sparing us the tedious thoughts of how our society and economy really work, develop, and interact with fast changing circumstances. Capitalism and the free market, as the Cold War ended in the collapse of the Soviet Union, soon earned their unchallengeable status in the realm of economic expertise. This, I firmly believe, is the ugly but real side of the truth: people blindly come to believe in those slogan-like theories not because of prudence, but because of laziness; for it is the one of the most common human nature of us to see what we want to see.
But, how about the immoral and unchristlike worship of "self-indulgence and consumption"? It indeed sounds like a righteous warning, doesn't it? Let me put this in relatively vague words for the sake of a bit wit here. When people see and hear of the media promotions of smoking elaborately plotted and sponsored by big evil tobacco companies, as depicted in Hollywood products, in either an upbraiding or a nostalgic way, they easily buy it, assuming that's what surely is bound to happen, as though the condescending liberal media elites just reclaimed their integrity out of blue. Nonetheless, contradictory to the common ground that government and politicians are evil, hypocritical, or, at best, incompetent, when it comes to massive political propaganda people easily get dismissive, disdainfully calling them conspiracies. Anyway, were those speculations to have been true, you have got to give applause to the gentlemen behind the curtain, for they can somehow manage to manipulate people to do and believe in things that are obviously against their own interests. It is truly a tour de force, works like magic.
Back to the film, and the ideology talk partly thanks to its title. It is amazing how frequently and strongly Michael Moore stress the term "socialism". And not in a Cold-War-minded way, but in a progressive and advocating way. So advocating that it proclaims socialism is the unfulfilled dream of FDR. So, how does the landscape really looks like in the US? Is it as biased as either side insists? Trying to answer that question, another popular liberal president, Jed Bartlet, would probably say, "Give me numbers." Fair enough. Let's take a look at them:
http://filer.blogbus.com/4598556/45985561268749559s.gifhttp://filer.blogbus.com/4598556/45985561268749552q.gifThis poll was conducted earlier this year. It shows that, significantly, though 58% of Americans still maintain a negative image of socialism, among Democrats and leaner a majority of people share a positive one, and that majority grows even bigger when it comes to liberals, topping the "supermajority" threshold at 61%.
Also underlined in the film is Barack Obama's ascendency in polls during the '08 presidential election, which Michael Moore arbitrarily attributed to the underlying socialism in his rhetoric and agenda. It is easy to commit the mistake of post hoc ergo propter hoc, but the exhilarated crowd was real and hard. Young people, with their compassion and idealism yet to fade, are known to be the main components of the liberal base. This hypothetical electoral map below demonstrates that fact convincingly well:
http://filer.blogbus.com/4598556/45985561268757624r.jpgThese results altogether illustrate a sharp contrast with that across the Pacific, where the pro-capitalism outrage amid the young is burgeoning seemingly as fast as the economic growth. The bottom line is that it is widely acknowledged that China's economy and growth model are in fact ill and flawed, but is capitalism the solution to all our conundrums? I am too often astounded by the extend to which some of our professors and pundits, who are supposed to think and analyze in a much more comprehensive way, appear so naive as to blame many problems on the markets not being open, free, and in essence capitalist enough. The contemporary history of the US has already showed the idealistic promises of capitalism that everyone shares an equal opportunity to work his way into the upper class are nothing but a fantasy; in reality, it is never in its purest form but other derivatives, namely, crony capitalism. Which does little good to the society as a whole but quite the opposite, creating even more inequality in the long run. In an economy that is strong and hence resilient to tentative turbulences so long as the marginal well-being stays positive, it might take decades for a bubble to burst. Nevertheless, in an over populated nation governed by a young regime dealing with various inherent social tensions, it could lead to catastrophe.
So, what does all this imply? Should we just entirely reject the Western philosophies as merely historical blunders? Of course not. To me the very point here is that we are bestowed - in an ironic way - with this dual perspective on the nature of human society, in terms of how social progressivism driven by different values eventually converge at promoting human equality and how dogmatism could be manipulated to impede that momentum and ultimately undermine our integrity. For a nation in the face of a seemingly unstainable economy, for a people shadowed by a wobbling ethical system, this is an utterly important issue.
美國的可怕之處在于總有人能提出反對意見, 在良性循環(huán)中找到潛在的危險(xiǎn). 或許 Michael Moore 有點(diǎn)嘩眾取寵不招人喜歡. 反思國內(nèi), 我們的工會(huì)我們的權(quán)利在哪里?
摩爾是我見過當(dāng)今最有社會(huì)洞見的導(dǎo)演,雖然很多地方有心無力,甚至方向偏頗,但仍然具有很大的社會(huì)意義,因?yàn)槊魇且粋€(gè)過程,試想如果全世界人民都能夠清醒的辯證的去思考這個(gè)世界的運(yùn)行,那么人類才會(huì)迅速的發(fā)展,苦難將會(huì)減少,社會(huì)合規(guī)律性不可違背,但歷史任務(wù)需要做的就是調(diào)動(dòng)人民的主觀能動(dòng)性…
不管摩爾政治觀點(diǎn)怎么樣有無漏洞,當(dāng)年如此支持奧巴馬有沒有被打臉,“獨(dú)立黨派”桑德斯現(xiàn)在變民主黨是否尷尬等,他確實(shí)是個(gè)把娛樂和敘述結(jié)合得非常好的導(dǎo)演,適當(dāng)插入各種表情包一樣的段落令人懷疑他是否經(jīng)常在油管看惡搞視頻??,事情講清楚了,也并不賣慘或過度煽動(dòng)。當(dāng)然一部電影肯定是不夠的
摩爾的人道主義關(guān)懷 - 區(qū)分capitalism & democracy. 資本主義是邪惡的, 只有民主是好的. 但是, 沒有資本主義做基礎(chǔ)的民主究竟是真正的民主嗎? 純粹的民主根底上只能是理想. 太多國家假民主卻真貧窮. 效率與公平本身就是極難達(dá)成的平衡......
麥胖果然是紅色陣營派到西方的奸細(xì),他老拍一些《新聞聯(lián)播》最愛放的東西——即美國人民都生活在水深火熱之中
邁克摩爾是美國艾未未,除了他喜歡編造謊言之外,更大的區(qū)別還在于他生在了一個(gè)值得愛的國家。在我們這個(gè)無償獻(xiàn)血的地方,沒有愛情故事,只有悲傷和憤怒。
這片子不是給平頭百姓看的。
an insane casino
雖然我是個(gè)右派,但麥克摩爾這個(gè)大胖子總是能讓我變得感性起來。
一直挺喜歡Michael Moore諷刺的調(diào)調(diào),這位老喜歡找茬的美國佬,應(yīng)該覺得批評政府也是愛國的一種表現(xiàn)吧。
每次看完邁克摩爾的電影,想到的第一句話總是“中國人民此刻內(nèi)牛滿面”
沒有在一個(gè)國家的理想與現(xiàn)實(shí)節(jié)節(jié)滑坡的慘象前一蹶不振,保持了積極的社會(huì)變革基調(diào),僅就這一點(diǎn)便向Michael Moore致以崇高的敬意。不足是對解決問題的方法有所模糊,依然使用了“民主”這個(gè)模糊的概念。其中對Co-op的刻畫極有啟發(fā),可繼續(xù)展開。
1、邁克·摩爾做小題目,比如911,或者醫(yī)保問題,得心應(yīng)手,這個(gè)題目太大,他自己也不明白或者是裝糊涂,著實(shí)駕馭不了。2、前兩部還好,這一部里摩爾的“社會(huì)行動(dòng)”/個(gè)人秀看起來著實(shí)地臭傻逼。3、沒解決的核心問題在于,為什么富人富窮人窮,以及片中現(xiàn)象如何形成,沒有解釋,只有仇富和煽動(dòng)
還以為有多譴責(zé),結(jié)果也只是批判一下前幾任政府,寄希望于奧巴馬。我?guī)缀跻J(rèn)為這是奧巴馬的政治宣傳片了。另:房屋被沒收,難道就沒有平民過度透支的惡習(xí)起作用?我看不見得。Pussy!紀(jì)錄片帶了政治目的,就成了一坨爛貨。
片尾曲是搖滾版《國際歌》,觀眾起立鼓掌。估計(jì)中國人不會(huì)喜歡,因?yàn)樗麄儛鄣牟⒉皇敲绹?,而是資本主義;Michael Moore愛的是美國,不是資本主義。
利用剪輯灌輸自己觀點(diǎn),這一點(diǎn)上,他做的很好
plutonomy,資本主義能讓你無所不能,你想為太陽申請專利嗎。。把民主和資本主義對立是有問題的。。。麥克默你敢再激進(jìn)點(diǎn)么
胖子的表情?。?/p>
哪種主義都不是百憂解
大壞胖子著名攪屎棍Michael.Moore再次襲來!